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Saturday, June 10, 2006


Attacking Non-UH liberalism 'Al-Qaeda Suicides at Club Gitmo w/o Collateral American Deaths (Liberals pissed American bodycount not rising fast)

The New York Times and the Houston Chronicle are sadly reporting of "3 detainee suicides reported at Guantanamo," or Club Gitmo, as Conservatives like to call it.

This has been a tough couple of days for the liberals with the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and now the three dead detainees at Gitmo. Liberals have to be upset that al-Qaeda members are now committing suicide without taking any American soldiers with them. I mean, at the rate that American deaths are happening these days in the War on Terror it could be another three to four years before we reach 3000 war dead.

Who cares if al-Qaeda detainees are committing suicide at Club Gitmo. It only makes news to liberal apologist who never see the United States on the right side of things. Can you imagine the questions that liberals will be asking on the Sunday shows? Believe me, its going to be Americas fault from the liberals angle.

What is the US doing to the detainees to cause them to commit suicide? Are they getting too much NPR and not enough Rush Limbaugh on Club Gitmo radio? We know they are being given three muslim squares a day, and that they have koran flush proof toilets, quality prayer rugs and directional signs in which to pray, so why did they off themselves?

I suppose the death of Zarqawi can be one reason, but I think they know they are losing. They know they are losing and can't stand it, so why go on.

I know the Pentagon has to report the suicides or be seen by the liberal media as withholding information, but I'm one to think that these suicides will not be seen as bad against the United States. We are at war, and all kind of death happens. I was glad to hear that Zarqawi tried to get away and definitely knew that his last thoughts were of the Americans getting him.

I don't care if the military said "all lifesaving measures had been exhausted" and that the bodies were to be treated "with the utmost respect," but its going to happen. I say wrap the bodies in pig guts and bury them with the dogs that's how much respect they so us, so return the favor.

I know that the corrupt UN will focus on the suicides as the US's fault. Of course this is the same UN that said that Club Gitmo "violated the world's ban on torture," by giving the detainees muslim squares, prayer rugs, korans, and nice prison garb, so what's new.

Liberals have pushed for detainee releases from Club Gitmo since they have a history of returning to the battlefield to kill more Americans, which the ultimate goal of liberals. Liberals like the Center for Constitutional Rights Barbara Olshansky said "and now they're gone."

Olshansky's group represents hundreds of Club Gitmo detainees trying to make sure that the non-citizens at Club Gitmo are given American Constitutional Rights to be seen in American courts.

Olshanky said "I don't think this country wants the stain of injustice on it for many years to come," but perhaps if we beheaded a few al-Qaeda detainees we might get a little respect on the world stage, or at least be given a pass from the world.

Screw the libs!

Former Guantanamo detainees recall despair

By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 36 minutes ago

Dispirited and desperate prisoners at Guantanamo Bay look to suicide as a way out of a hopeless situation, and not because they seek martyrdom, say three British Muslims once held there.

"There is no hope in Guantanamo. The only thing that goes through your mind day after day is how to get justice or how to kill yourself," said Shafiq Rasul, 29, who waged a hunger strike while at the camp to protest alleged beatings. "It is the despair — not the thought of martyrdom — that consumes you there."

In an interview late Saturday with The Associated Press, Rasul and two boyhood friends, Ruhal Ahmed and Asif Iqbal, disputed the charge by U.S. officials that the three suicides by Guantanamo detainees this weekend were political acts.

"Killing yourself is not something that is looked at lightly in Islam, but if you're told day after day by the Americans that you're never going to go home or you're put into isolation, these acts are committed simply out of desperation and loss of hope," Rasul said. "This was not done as an act of martyrdom, warfare or anything else."

The three Britons are the subject of a movie, "The Road to Guantanamo," that traces their steps from a trip to Pakistan for a wedding to the desolate U.S. outpost in Cuba, where they were held for more than two years without charge. The film, which premiered at the Berlin Film Festival in February, opens in New York on June 23.

Many of the some 460 Guantanamo detainees accused of links to Afghanistan's Taliban regime or the al-Qaida terror network have been held for more than four years without charge, including the two Saudis and one Yemeni who hanged themselves early Saturday.

There are no scenes of attempted suicides in "The Road to Guantanamo," but the British friends said they saw several at the camp.

"A Saudi detainee in the cell in front of us had had enough," said Ahmed. "We could hear him rip up his sheets and tie it to the wire mesh roof of the cell. He jumped off his sink and tried to hang himself. We shouted to the military police and they came and saved him."

The men said they suffered beatings, saw guards throw Qurans in the toilet, were forced to watch videotapes of prisoners who had allegedly been ordered to sodomize each other and were chained to a hook in the floor while strobe lights flashed and heavy metal music blared.

The allegations, some of which are dramatized in the film, are part of a lawsuit against the United States seeking $10 million each in damages.

The three men, who were released without charge in March 2004, said their lives are still far from easy.

Since they started promoting their film across Europe, they say they are questioned or searched when they land in Britain. After they returned from Spain recently, armed police in Birmingham boarded the plane and searched their seats. Even two actors who play the men in the film were stopped in February and held for questioning under the anti-terror laws.

"It's embarrassing. We feel like outsiders in our own country," Ahmed said.
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